MaxEv3[28] ChrisWere_gaffe complaint
To: ann were <ann_were12@yahoo.co.uk>, Chris
Simpson , Christopher Were
<chriswere@walesgreenparty.com>, Dorothy Wilson , Jane Cooke, John Matthews <jmatthews633@btinternet.com>,
John Evans, Owen Clarke
,
PaulAtkins<paulatkins@walesgreenparty.com>, Pippa Bartolotti
<pippabartolotti@walesgreenparty.com>
From: Max Wallis/smamkw/CardiffUniversity
Date: 27/05/2013 19:15
Subject: Re: the "Gaffe" + YourGreenWales video channel
Dear WGPC members,
From: Max Wallis/smamkw/CardiffUniversity
Date: 27/05/2013 19:15
Subject: Re: the "Gaffe" + YourGreenWales video channel
Dear WGPC members,
Thanks for the responses on these items, which do
need further consideration.
1. discussion on Chris Were's blogs and the
half-hearted apology (of Press reports).
Can Chris's blog be considered as just a gaffe - “an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator”?
Can Chris's blog be considered as just a gaffe - “an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator”?
Chris's
first reply to us (12 May) “silly little dispute” was shown up by the
subsequent reporting in the W Mail and Indy on Sunday. Chris's fan club (13-17
yr olds, I think I saw) seems unrepresentative of the British public. However
it's the half-hearted apology in the newspapers that reflects badly on the GP
in my view. That is what I propose the WGPC discusses. I want to know who
advised Chris what to take down and what apology was accepted; was Ann Were
excluded and who was it decided the GP is a “forgiving party”? What full
apology can be posted up to offset that in the Press?
2. YourGreenwales video channel
Whether
experimental or not, videos on YouTube/YourGreenWales went out during the
election period that featured the two candidates making statements, and
were advertised via twitter and facebook.
Whether
this gave an unfair electoral advantage is not a matter for the WGP Council but,
according to Chris Rose, a matter for the GPEW Standing
Orders Committee, re possible reference to the Euro Election Tribunal. The
WGPC can't pretend there is no issue here - we could advise that any
material should be electorally neutral, and more consistent with GP
messages – respecting our public, not just market testing. Hwyl / Max
-----ann were <ann_were12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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To: Paul Atkins <paulatkins@walesgreenparty.com>, John Evans
From: ann were <ann_were12@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 23/05/2013 14:03
Subject: Re: YourGreenWales video channel
From: ann were <ann_were12@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 23/05/2013 14:03
Subject: Re: YourGreenWales video channel
I think it's also fair to add that this
is in the development stage at the moment and by no means the finished product.
It's something the team are working on in the hope that it will be a useful
part of the digital campaign for the Euros next year.
Ann Were.
From: Paul Atkins <paulatkins@walesgreenparty.com>
To: John Evans
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 19:59
Subject: Re: YourGreenWales video channel
To: John Evans
Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 19:59
Subject: Re: YourGreenWales video channel
Dear Max,
As WGP Press Officer I have been
involved in all discussions relating to the formation of this channel.
YourGreenWales is part of an ongoing attempt to improve communication across
social media platforms. As I'm sure you can appreciate, opening up for group
discussion the creation of every new channel, video and press release would
quickly become unworkable, not to mention tiresome for all involved.
In any functioning political
party- the leader and deputy leader have a right, in fact a duty to speak on
behalf of the party. I don't think any of us wish to see a situation in which
the leader and deputy leader stop promoting the party every time we go through
a selection procedure.
As for the so-called 'gaffe',
Chris Ware has apologised and I think it is time to move on. I'm afraid these
things are part of the rough and tumble of politics. However I am very happy to
have a discussion at a later date about how we improve our capacity to react to
these kind of stories - some training in this area might be beneficial.
Kind Regards,
Paul Atkins - Press & Electoral Strategy Officer (Wales Green Party)
+44 (0)7784890055
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM, John Evans wrote:
Dear Max,
Under the constitution, officers
of the party are allowed to go about party and personal business during an
election, as long as they don't promote their candidacy. Neither Pippa or Chris
mention the current election in any content on these video clips. So therefore
are not in breach of election rules.
The constitution is there for
you to read, as it is for any member.
Yours
John Evans
WGP ERRO.
On 22 May 2013 17:26, Christopher Were <chriswere@walesgreenparty.com> wrote:
1. I'd be more than happy to offer an explanation for my
recent gaffe as well as a verbal damage control, at the request of WGPC.
2. To clarify, the YourGreenWales YouTube channel is for the use of all
WGPC in the same way the blog and website are.
On 22 May 2013 16:36, Max Wallis <WallisMK@cardiff.ac.uk> wrote:
Dear Ann,
Thanks for yesterday sending e-mail evidence of my disclosing WGPC or GP
'confidential' information to non-members.
As far as I see
# the header has been altered (ie. the evidence has been doctored)
# the disclosure to Anne Greagsby may well have occurred thru the
members-list supplied to Dorothy and me, which has ~30 bouncing e-mails as well
as hers and presumably contains other out-of-date/lapsed members.
A full track-back would take a
little time; in the meantime, please explain what are the GP guidelines on
'confidentiality'. I've been assuming the GP operates openly (using
discretion over sensitive/personnel issues) except where confidentiality is
requested for good reason (the only time I recall was for an e-mail by Pippa).
If this understanding is not right, please document why not and explain what
steps you took to inform us new members of the Council of it.
Until these points are
clarified, a Telephone meeting on it would surely be premature.
On the other hand, let's hold a
Telephone meeting on two urgent items:
1. discussion on Chris Were's blogs and the half-hearted apology (of
Press reports).
I asked you to include this yesterday, but you haven't replied; I guess
your personal 'interest' gives difficulty, so who will decide if we can discuss
it? I remind you of my e-mail of 12 May, complaining of the Wales Green
Party being associated through it with obscene and sexually deviant talk, and
stereotypical sexism.
2. YourGreenwales video channel http://www.youtube.com/user/YourGreenWales
This newly set up channel has videos of Pippa and Chris. It uses Wales
Green Party resources/name promoting two of the candidates in the current
election. Can we establish if the Leader and Dep Leader set up this
channel without seeking approval of the rest of the WGP Council and are
permitted to use it freely?
As you or Chris have been blocking my e-mails to the list, I'm sending
this direct to the Council members.
Hwyl / Max
To: "Christopher
Were (Green Party)" <ChrisWere@WalesGreenParty.com>,
From: Jane Cooke (GPRC member for Wales)
Date: 13/05/2013 09:32
Subject: Re: Fw: blog-site christopherwere.com
Dear Chris - firstly I'm glad that you have seen Max's email and that you have replied. There are a few things that I'd like to say - whatever Max's motivation - anyone checking you out as deputy leader and Euro candidate are likely to have come across your blog - people are looking at you as The Green Party - and all the careful guidelines are there for a reason. Politicians can have lively sex lives/views but they have to be wise about a number of things - the GP is and should remain a broad church - however it is naive to think that derogatory (at the least & I haven't sat through the utube so making a general point - but cunt on it's own would be unacceptable) or exploitative stuff is ok if women are involved in some way - is it okay if black rappers are racist eg - and the values and views that underpin the GP whilst embracing difference are fundamentally against exploitation of people and planet - follow the values behind language such as cunt (when its used in the way that it is in the poster ) back and it's clear that this is about objectfying and then denigrating. So basically I'm saying wise up and make some choices. Best wishes Jane
From: Jane Cooke (GPRC member for Wales)
Date: 13/05/2013 09:32
Subject: Re: Fw: blog-site christopherwere.com
Dear Chris - firstly I'm glad that you have seen Max's email and that you have replied. There are a few things that I'd like to say - whatever Max's motivation - anyone checking you out as deputy leader and Euro candidate are likely to have come across your blog - people are looking at you as The Green Party - and all the careful guidelines are there for a reason. Politicians can have lively sex lives/views but they have to be wise about a number of things - the GP is and should remain a broad church - however it is naive to think that derogatory (at the least & I haven't sat through the utube so making a general point - but cunt on it's own would be unacceptable) or exploitative stuff is ok if women are involved in some way - is it okay if black rappers are racist eg - and the values and views that underpin the GP whilst embracing difference are fundamentally against exploitation of people and planet - follow the values behind language such as cunt (when its used in the way that it is in the poster ) back and it's clear that this is about objectfying and then denigrating. So basically I'm saying wise up and make some choices. Best wishes Jane
Sarah Cope Chair of Green Party Women: Dear
Christopher, Sarah Cope here, Chair of Green Party Women. I hope you are well.
I am just contacting you about the fall-out from the very offensive postings
here on your blog. I have received emails from women asking that our sub-group
call for your resignation. I do agree with emails that your apology seemed
quite petulantly worded. A further, more genuine, less defensive apology would
be well advised. Perhaps we could discuss this? Thanks, Sarah [posted on
Chris Were’s blog]
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